Postpartum Depression, Love, Joy, and Marriage

I’ve been making a point in this last year to be more transparent. There is a tendency among people and particularly among Christians, to pretend that all is well. That joy means happiness, that peace means a life without conflict. We all have problems, we all have conflict, joy is from knowing that these conflicts are the work of God, peace comes when we accept the things he has put into out lives – the good and the bad.

We had a baby girl this past December, and while it was joyous, we’ve had a difficult time with postpartum depression. My wife had a bit with our first child but it wasn’t quite as bad. Some of it is just due to differences between the two children, but I think (from hearing the same thing from many women who have had 4+ children) that girls are harder on the woman than boys are (even the Torah says the period of rest after childbirth is longer after a girl). So it’s been difficult. I’ve spent a lot of time at night praying, dreading when our daughter would cry, knowing that each time she screamed that Susan was battling with how she felt, struggling with thoughts she did not choose to have. It would be foolish for me to suggest that she was the only one struggling.

There has been an aspect of humility in all of this; I realized that I had not prepared my family in some ways for the challenges of a new child, that I had not been spending time in the Word of God with my wife like I should have been. I had let the world inform our minds on the value of the home, and on the value of children. And so there were many hours spent in prayer: Dear God please help my child to have faith so that she will not demand to be held constantly, please help my wife to call upon you, to cast her cares upon you, to take the thoughts she is having captive. Please help me to be wise in my words, prompt in my actions. Help me to be not so foolish as I have been, Above all else, thank you for this child, thank you for these sleepless nights, thank you for showing me my failures before they cost me more than they already have. It is getting better, much better, but it is still on occasion difficult. The real difficulty is in not falling back into old habits as I see improvement, in believing that the crisis is over, that I can return to my foolish ways without consequence.

There is more about these things that I would like to say, but they can come later. For now, this is sufficient. For those of you who read this, how does this compare to your own experiences? How did you deal with similar struggles?

42 thoughts on “Postpartum Depression, Love, Joy, and Marriage”

  1. Man, have I ever been there! Of course, we had two boys, so I don’t know about the girl stuff, but the second child was a lot harder on us than the first. Allie, too, suffered some PP depression, though not severe. Having the second child was like we went from one child to three or four, though. The labor and the “hassle” was frustrating.

    It seems God fades these things from our memories. We forget, over time, how tired we were, how frustrated and even angry. I remember after having Josh (#2) the rush of dread that came over me when I began to remember how loooong we had to change diapers, and prepare special meals, and carry all the necessities with us, and shorten our plans to account for the baby, etc., etc. When you are tired, depressed, and/or frustrated, it seems so much worse than it is.

    The main thing is that you are handling it correctly. And, where you aren’t, your trying to correct it. We all make errors and poor choices, but what will bring your family through it, and especially what will help your wife, is seeing the effort and priority you place on rectifying that.

    Deep breath, prayer, rest where you can get it, and keep moving forward. It will all just be a memory soon enough.

  2. Man, have I ever been there! Of course, we had two boys, so I don’t know about the girl stuff, but the second child was a lot harder on us than the first. Allie, too, suffered some PP depression, though not severe. Having the second child was like we went from one child to three or four, though. The labor and the “hassle” was frustrating.

    It seems God fades these things from our memories. We forget, over time, how tired we were, how frustrated and even angry. I remember after having Josh (#2) the rush of dread that came over me when I began to remember how loooong we had to change diapers, and prepare special meals, and carry all the necessities with us, and shorten our plans to account for the baby, etc., etc. When you are tired, depressed, and/or frustrated, it seems so much worse than it is.

    The main thing is that you are handling it correctly. And, where you aren’t, your trying to correct it. We all make errors and poor choices, but what will bring your family through it, and especially what will help your wife, is seeing the effort and priority you place on rectifying that.

    Deep breath, prayer, rest where you can get it, and keep moving forward. It will all just be a memory soon enough.

  3. I am Muslim, but I can relate. I could have wrote your first two sentences but replaced Christian with Muslim. I battle being more transparent, for fear that I am not putting all of my faith in God. At the same time desiring a confidant and close friend or somebody or something to help get me through. Then I start thinking, “How dare you then moan and complain to others. Are you not ashamed to grumble to people about your situation? ”

    Recently, I deleted a post on my blog where I vented some frustrations I was having. I felt ashamed after posting it. So I remind you as I remind myself, when you feel you cannot take it any more, complain to Him and Him alone, then wait patiently until He answers your supplication. Seek solace with the supplication of Yaqub (Jacob) over his son, Yusuf (Joseph), “Indeed I complain of my grief and sorrow only to God…” (Quran 12:86)

    Your wife is very fortunate to have such an understanding spouse.

  4. I am Muslim, but I can relate. I could have wrote your first two sentences but replaced Christian with Muslim. I battle being more transparent, for fear that I am not putting all of my faith in God. At the same time desiring a confidant and close friend or somebody or something to help get me through. Then I start thinking, “How dare you then moan and complain to others. Are you not ashamed to grumble to people about your situation? ”

    Recently, I deleted a post on my blog where I vented some frustrations I was having. I felt ashamed after posting it. So I remind you as I remind myself, when you feel you cannot take it any more, complain to Him and Him alone, then wait patiently until He answers your supplication. Seek solace with the supplication of Yaqub (Jacob) over his son, Yusuf (Joseph), “Indeed I complain of my grief and sorrow only to God…” (Quran 12:86)

    Your wife is very fortunate to have such an understanding spouse.

  5. I appreciate the transparency, Charles. That is something I aspire to as well – although sometimes it seems like the natural outworking of such a goal would be that I go around saying “Life sucks” a lot. So apparently discretion and self control are needed as well – which I also see in your thoughts here, and admire.

    For me, it seems like there are periods of time when the best prayers I can muster are “God help me!” (12x or so) At such times I hold on to the truth that it’s not my performance that God is after, but the trajectory of my heart and thoughts, which, by his grace, continue to be inclined toward him, in all their pettiness and misery.

    I hope that the upshots of these times will be a tightening of my spiritual tendons and ligaments so that I’ll be holding tightly to God when the next storm blows through…there are also promises I hold onto, something about “proven character” being the result of “perseverance.”

    Keep on keeping on.

  6. I appreciate the transparency, Charles. That is something I aspire to as well – although sometimes it seems like the natural outworking of such a goal would be that I go around saying “Life sucks” a lot. So apparently discretion and self control are needed as well – which I also see in your thoughts here, and admire.

    For me, it seems like there are periods of time when the best prayers I can muster are “God help me!” (12x or so) At such times I hold on to the truth that it’s not my performance that God is after, but the trajectory of my heart and thoughts, which, by his grace, continue to be inclined toward him, in all their pettiness and misery.

    I hope that the upshots of these times will be a tightening of my spiritual tendons and ligaments so that I’ll be holding tightly to God when the next storm blows through…there are also promises I hold onto, something about “proven character” being the result of “perseverance.”

    Keep on keeping on.

  7. Brother,
    I am presently experiencing what you are experiecing. My wife gave birth to our second child, a beautiful baby girl, this past November. My wife is suffering from PPD. She suffers from severe anxiety and at times has had panic attacks at the thought of caring for our little girl or hearing her cry for prolonged periods of time. I do have to say in her defense she had a most difficult pregnancy and c-section. She was sick throughout the pregnancy and at the end she was in excruciating pain because it turns out she had gall stones. Well, needless to say she experienced this throughout the pregnancy but the problem just erupted 2 weeks before the due date and it turns out her gall bladder was four times its normal size because it was filled with stones. She and I and her doctor decided to have a c-section and surgery to remove the gall bladder at the same time.

    For the first six weeks after the birth, my mother-in-law, aunt-in-law and myself have been caring for our little girl and two and a half year old boy, while my wife has been dealing with her PPD. I have only recently returned to work and only today has it been the first day that my wife has been alone with both our children. Usually my wife retreats to our bedroom for an escape. Her OB-GYN prescribed her an anti-anxiety medicine and it helps her but it makes her sleepy, which only helps to contribute to her feeling of inadequacy in not being able to care for our children. It’s the real “side effect” of the medicine. I do have to say that my wife is getting better and seems to be emerging out of what she calls her “PPD fog”. One thing I don’t much like is that she has picked up smoking as a way to calm herself down. She promises that she will quit when she gets better, but knowing their addictive quality and the fact that this may be the crutch she needs, I’m afraid that her smoking may be here to stay for a long time.

    Like you I’ve spent many nights praying to God (since I’m up during the night feeding our little girl). I’m Catholic so I spend many nights also praying the Rosary. I’ve thought many times what I could have done differently to help make things easier on her. During the early part of the pregnancy we attended Mass regularly and prayed together though infrequent (my wife is not Catholic by the way). Toward the last 10 weeks of the pregnancy attendance at Mass dropped and praying together did too. I have thought how many times during difficult times I have experienced that they seem to be lighter and I overcome them when I realize that Jesus Christ is there with me and with his help I will be alright. Without his guidance and grace I can do nothing. While I have prayed to God to help my wife, to comfort her, to heal her, I have told her through my witness and directly that she should turn to God for comfort, strength and fortitude.

    She’s asked me on numerous occasions how throughout the last week of the pregnancy and before the c-section and surgery if I was nervous or how the h*ll I could be so calm and serene during all that. I told her I could be calm and serene because I attend Mass, pray to God, and listen to what God is telling me, and trust in God so that I could know that no matter what was happening that I entrusted her and my child to God. I told her that for many reasons I felt the hand of God on my shoulder, comforting me and letting me know everything would work out for the best. I have felt that guiding hand all of my life, even when I was living a life of sin and not being as faithful as I should.

    I am presently finding that she may view my Catholic faith and prayer life with a bit of disdain and seems to view me as some sanctimonious SOB. I like to think that is because of her PPD. As an example, I like to listen to our local Catholic radio station and like to pray the devotional prayers as they come over the radio and listen to all the programming, but now my wife dislikes me listening to the radio. Nevertheless, I will continue with my prayer life and continue to encourage her to attend Mass with me. I trust in God and in his time God will provide my wife with the grace that she needs.

    Brother, let me say that it has not been all peaches and flowers with me. I have had difficult moments the past eight weeks. If I trust in God, it does not come without some doubt. That I believe is normal. Additionally, the past seven weeks have not passed without some lamentation on my part. I have been on an emotional rollercoaster and I have been angry with God also. But God can take it.

    I have to say that lamentation is a form of prayer. As a reflection piece I once read pointed out one time, nearly half of the 150 psalms are lamentations. Lamenting to God is about expressing our feelings and emotions. It is not about softening words to God, or saying nice things to God, or trying to reason away our feelings before God. Lamenting to God is about bringing our feelings and our broken heart straight to him and saying, “How could you let this happen to me?!” If Jesus could do that on the cross, then why can’t I? I have to confess that lamenting to God helps.

    I believe that at times you have to lament to God, pray to God for your needs, but also be “dogged” with God. At times like these I am often reminded of the Canaanite woman that came to Jesus asking for her daughter to be healed from demonic possession. At first Jesus, ignores her. The she pleads with him, “Lord, help me”. Then Jesus rebuffs her. The woman replies again with meekness. Finally, our Lord exclaims her faith and tells her that her daughter is healed. (Matthew 15:21-28) She came to Jesus with a need and faith and would not be denied until Jesus provided for her need.

    My brother, I pray that like that Canaanite woman, we both will continue to pray, lament, and continue to ask Jesus to heal us and our wives, until he has done so.

    May God’s peace be with you.

  8. Brother,
    I am presently experiencing what you are experiecing. My wife gave birth to our second child, a beautiful baby girl, this past November. My wife is suffering from PPD. She suffers from severe anxiety and at times has had panic attacks at the thought of caring for our little girl or hearing her cry for prolonged periods of time. I do have to say in her defense she had a most difficult pregnancy and c-section. She was sick throughout the pregnancy and at the end she was in excruciating pain because it turns out she had gall stones. Well, needless to say she experienced this throughout the pregnancy but the problem just erupted 2 weeks before the due date and it turns out her gall bladder was four times its normal size because it was filled with stones. She and I and her doctor decided to have a c-section and surgery to remove the gall bladder at the same time.

    For the first six weeks after the birth, my mother-in-law, aunt-in-law and myself have been caring for our little girl and two and a half year old boy, while my wife has been dealing with her PPD. I have only recently returned to work and only today has it been the first day that my wife has been alone with both our children. Usually my wife retreats to our bedroom for an escape. Her OB-GYN prescribed her an anti-anxiety medicine and it helps her but it makes her sleepy, which only helps to contribute to her feeling of inadequacy in not being able to care for our children. It’s the real “side effect” of the medicine. I do have to say that my wife is getting better and seems to be emerging out of what she calls her “PPD fog”. One thing I don’t much like is that she has picked up smoking as a way to calm herself down. She promises that she will quit when she gets better, but knowing their addictive quality and the fact that this may be the crutch she needs, I’m afraid that her smoking may be here to stay for a long time.

    Like you I’ve spent many nights praying to God (since I’m up during the night feeding our little girl). I’m Catholic so I spend many nights also praying the Rosary. I’ve thought many times what I could have done differently to help make things easier on her. During the early part of the pregnancy we attended Mass regularly and prayed together though infrequent (my wife is not Catholic by the way). Toward the last 10 weeks of the pregnancy attendance at Mass dropped and praying together did too. I have thought how many times during difficult times I have experienced that they seem to be lighter and I overcome them when I realize that Jesus Christ is there with me and with his help I will be alright. Without his guidance and grace I can do nothing. While I have prayed to God to help my wife, to comfort her, to heal her, I have told her through my witness and directly that she should turn to God for comfort, strength and fortitude.

    She’s asked me on numerous occasions how throughout the last week of the pregnancy and before the c-section and surgery if I was nervous or how the h*ll I could be so calm and serene during all that. I told her I could be calm and serene because I attend Mass, pray to God, and listen to what God is telling me, and trust in God so that I could know that no matter what was happening that I entrusted her and my child to God. I told her that for many reasons I felt the hand of God on my shoulder, comforting me and letting me know everything would work out for the best. I have felt that guiding hand all of my life, even when I was living a life of sin and not being as faithful as I should.

    I am presently finding that she may view my Catholic faith and prayer life with a bit of disdain and seems to view me as some sanctimonious SOB. I like to think that is because of her PPD. As an example, I like to listen to our local Catholic radio station and like to pray the devotional prayers as they come over the radio and listen to all the programming, but now my wife dislikes me listening to the radio. Nevertheless, I will continue with my prayer life and continue to encourage her to attend Mass with me. I trust in God and in his time God will provide my wife with the grace that she needs.

    Brother, let me say that it has not been all peaches and flowers with me. I have had difficult moments the past eight weeks. If I trust in God, it does not come without some doubt. That I believe is normal. Additionally, the past seven weeks have not passed without some lamentation on my part. I have been on an emotional rollercoaster and I have been angry with God also. But God can take it.

    I have to say that lamentation is a form of prayer. As a reflection piece I once read pointed out one time, nearly half of the 150 psalms are lamentations. Lamenting to God is about expressing our feelings and emotions. It is not about softening words to God, or saying nice things to God, or trying to reason away our feelings before God. Lamenting to God is about bringing our feelings and our broken heart straight to him and saying, “How could you let this happen to me?!” If Jesus could do that on the cross, then why can’t I? I have to confess that lamenting to God helps.

    I believe that at times you have to lament to God, pray to God for your needs, but also be “dogged” with God. At times like these I am often reminded of the Canaanite woman that came to Jesus asking for her daughter to be healed from demonic possession. At first Jesus, ignores her. The she pleads with him, “Lord, help me”. Then Jesus rebuffs her. The woman replies again with meekness. Finally, our Lord exclaims her faith and tells her that her daughter is healed. (Matthew 15:21-28) She came to Jesus with a need and faith and would not be denied until Jesus provided for her need.

    My brother, I pray that like that Canaanite woman, we both will continue to pray, lament, and continue to ask Jesus to heal us and our wives, until he has done so.

    May God’s peace be with you.

  9. Bruce,
    Thanks for the visit and the encouragement. You and Allison are frequently in my thoughts and I click on your blog feed a couple time a day hoping for a new post. I’m hoping to come down and visit my grandfather soon (he’s recently been put in a nursing home) and maybe I can work it so that we can do lunch.

    Take care,
    Charles

  10. Bruce,
    Thanks for the visit and the encouragement. You and Allison are frequently in my thoughts and I click on your blog feed a couple time a day hoping for a new post. I’m hoping to come down and visit my grandfather soon (he’s recently been put in a nursing home) and maybe I can work it so that we can do lunch.

    Take care,
    Charles

  11. ummadam,
    Welcome! Thanks for the read and the nice comments. It’s good to know that the struggles we face are not unique to us. I hope you do not take offense at what I say to you next, as a Christian it would be irresponsible of me to not speak to you of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. It is my prayer for you that you may know Him and His Father that sent Him.

    Take care,
    Charles

  12. ummadam,
    Welcome! Thanks for the read and the nice comments. It’s good to know that the struggles we face are not unique to us. I hope you do not take offense at what I say to you next, as a Christian it would be irresponsible of me to not speak to you of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. It is my prayer for you that you may know Him and His Father that sent Him.

    Take care,
    Charles

  13. Ariel,
    Hey, thanks for the kind words and encouragement. The transparency thing is tricky. Though I do think saying that today I feel like life sucks is fine, just so long as we identify that thought as wrong, and that we present how we are dealing with it. I think that what we struggle with is common to us all. It’s finding how to frame the struggle (in many ways discovering what we are actually struggling with in the first place) that is interesting.
    Now you’ve got me thinking…

    Take care,
    Charles

  14. Ariel,
    Hey, thanks for the kind words and encouragement. The transparency thing is tricky. Though I do think saying that today I feel like life sucks is fine, just so long as we identify that thought as wrong, and that we present how we are dealing with it. I think that what we struggle with is common to us all. It’s finding how to frame the struggle (in many ways discovering what we are actually struggling with in the first place) that is interesting.
    Now you’ve got me thinking…

    Take care,
    Charles

  15. notapundit,
    Sorry for the delay in replying to you, I had a couple responses typed up and someone closed my browser window each time. I definitely feel your pain, and will pray for you and your wife.

    Take care,
    Charles

  16. notapundit,
    Sorry for the delay in replying to you, I had a couple responses typed up and someone closed my browser window each time. I definitely feel your pain, and will pray for you and your wife.

    Take care,
    Charles

  17. I am saddened that you seem to see your child’s need to be held as a punishment to your for your sin of being foolish in some way. Perhaps you are not being punished. Perhaps you are experiencing a difficult time in life in this fallen world. Even if you were to perfectly read the Bible and train your family, you would still experience trials.

    Please be careful not to communicate to your child that his/her need for love is a punishment against you.

  18. I am saddened that you seem to see your child’s need to be held as a punishment to your for your sin of being foolish in some way. Perhaps you are not being punished. Perhaps you are experiencing a difficult time in life in this fallen world. Even if you were to perfectly read the Bible and train your family, you would still experience trials.

    Please be careful not to communicate to your child that his/her need for love is a punishment against you.

  19. Matthew,
    I didn’t mean to give the impression that I see my child’s need to be held as a punishment to me for my sin of being foolish in some way. I’m not entirely sure how you got that from what I wrote. The consequences of my foolishness that I speak of are readily seen consequences in my marriage, in failing to spend time with my wife in the word, in allowing the world to inform our minds on the value of children and the nature of marriage. Things like that.
    I’m sorry if I caused confusion.

    Take care,
    Charles

  20. Matthew,
    I didn’t mean to give the impression that I see my child’s need to be held as a punishment to me for my sin of being foolish in some way. I’m not entirely sure how you got that from what I wrote. The consequences of my foolishness that I speak of are readily seen consequences in my marriage, in failing to spend time with my wife in the word, in allowing the world to inform our minds on the value of children and the nature of marriage. Things like that.
    I’m sorry if I caused confusion.

    Take care,
    Charles

  21. Sorry I’m late. WordPress wouldn’t let me leave a comment the other night.

    I have PPD. It is truly an awful thing. My worst bout was when I got pregnant too quickly after our second child and was still suffering. It lasts me about 2 years after each child. I cannot take the meds they want me to (though I am definitely not opposed to them) so I did a bit of research and have been trying out Omega-3, aka Fish Oil. Anyway, I just thought I’d offer that info in case it helps her. I know all people react differently to meds and “natural” remedies but so far this actually seems to be working for me.

    I will be praying for your strength through this time. I know it is not easy.

  22. Sorry I’m late. WordPress wouldn’t let me leave a comment the other night.

    I have PPD. It is truly an awful thing. My worst bout was when I got pregnant too quickly after our second child and was still suffering. It lasts me about 2 years after each child. I cannot take the meds they want me to (though I am definitely not opposed to them) so I did a bit of research and have been trying out Omega-3, aka Fish Oil. Anyway, I just thought I’d offer that info in case it helps her. I know all people react differently to meds and “natural” remedies but so far this actually seems to be working for me.

    I will be praying for your strength through this time. I know it is not easy.

  23. mom24bbs,
    Thanks for the Omega-3 tip. I’ll look into that. Things are going much better now, but in some ways, I’m reminded that the battle is ongoing. There are many different reasons for depression, but for many people (myself included) depression is something that we do not defeat once and for all, it is just another battle that we fight from time to time. We fight it in the way that we think every day, in the habits that we have, in the pleasures we partake of and the extent to which we partake of them.

    Thanks for your prayers,
    Charles

  24. mom24bbs,
    Thanks for the Omega-3 tip. I’ll look into that. Things are going much better now, but in some ways, I’m reminded that the battle is ongoing. There are many different reasons for depression, but for many people (myself included) depression is something that we do not defeat once and for all, it is just another battle that we fight from time to time. We fight it in the way that we think every day, in the habits that we have, in the pleasures we partake of and the extent to which we partake of them.

    Thanks for your prayers,
    Charles

  25. Hey, I happened over here after reading your well-stated comment on Jesus Creed.

    I’ve had four kids, and while there is certainly a biological aspect to PPD, there is a definite cultural one as well. We are so far removed from natural in our parenting.

    This: “I had let the world inform our minds on the value of the home, and on the value of children. ” is so easy to do. For some of us it’s the online world as well.

    Close in on your home and your family. Cherish them (I’m not saying you don’t) and shut out the world. It helps.

  26. Hey, I happened over here after reading your well-stated comment on Jesus Creed.

    I’ve had four kids, and while there is certainly a biological aspect to PPD, there is a definite cultural one as well. We are so far removed from natural in our parenting.

    This: “I had let the world inform our minds on the value of the home, and on the value of children. ” is so easy to do. For some of us it’s the online world as well.

    Close in on your home and your family. Cherish them (I’m not saying you don’t) and shut out the world. It helps.

  27. I can appreciate your struggle and that of your wife. Our prayers are with you. The feelings of emptiness, purposelessness, fear, anxiety… can be devastating. Fish oil is a good idea. I don’t think that depression is something that is primarily caused by wrong thinking, bad thoughts or sin, it’s not necessarily so and often has a physiological and biochemical base. Sometimes medication and counseling can be a real help so get good medical advice and if meds or support groups are prescribed don’t hesitate to use them!

  28. I can appreciate your struggle and that of your wife. Our prayers are with you. The feelings of emptiness, purposelessness, fear, anxiety… can be devastating. Fish oil is a good idea. I don’t think that depression is something that is primarily caused by wrong thinking, bad thoughts or sin, it’s not necessarily so and often has a physiological and biochemical base. Sometimes medication and counseling can be a real help so get good medical advice and if meds or support groups are prescribed don’t hesitate to use them!

  29. Sam,
    Thanks for stopping by and for the considerate suggestions. Things are going much better now. Never perfect, but better.

    Thanks for stopping by,
    Charles

  30. Sam,
    Thanks for stopping by and for the considerate suggestions. Things are going much better now. Never perfect, but better.

    Thanks for stopping by,
    Charles

  31. Charles,

    You did all the basic stuff they recommend for depression didn’t you? I have suffered from it in a rather major way at various times and its the regular basic things that really help. Incidentally, Have you heard of the rather stunning results being discovered by treating depression with ketamine? talk about blowing your fish oil out of the water.

    Ivan

  32. Charles,

    You did all the basic stuff they recommend for depression didn’t you? I have suffered from it in a rather major way at various times and its the regular basic things that really help. Incidentally, Have you heard of the rather stunning results being discovered by treating depression with ketamine? talk about blowing your fish oil out of the water.

    Ivan

  33. Ivan,
    Hello again. We did the stuff. One thing that I think is lacking in modern medicine is it pretends there is not a spiritual side to anything. Don’t take that to mean that I think everything starts on the spiritual side, but do take it to mean that everything is connected. What starts out physical can affect our spirit, what starts out spiritual can affect us physically. So we did the stuff plus some extra stuff, if that makes sense. 😉

    Take care,
    Charles

  34. Ivan,
    Hello again. We did the stuff. One thing that I think is lacking in modern medicine is it pretends there is not a spiritual side to anything. Don’t take that to mean that I think everything starts on the spiritual side, but do take it to mean that everything is connected. What starts out physical can affect our spirit, what starts out spiritual can affect us physically. So we did the stuff plus some extra stuff, if that makes sense. 😉

    Take care,
    Charles

  35. Sure thing Charles. I come from the world where nothing is spiritual and everything is Chemical or chemical related. But long as your alright now, thats all that counts!

    Best regards

    Ivan

  36. Sure thing Charles. I come from the world where nothing is spiritual and everything is Chemical or chemical related. But long as your alright now, thats all that counts!

    Best regards

    Ivan

  37. I just got over PPD with my first child who is 13 months old and want to have another child soon but am affraid of PPD and having it a second time. Any advice I ca get will be helpfull.
    Thanks

  38. I just got over PPD with my first child who is 13 months old and want to have another child soon but am affraid of PPD and having it a second time. Any advice I ca get will be helpfull.
    Thanks

  39. My experience with depression has been from an entirely different source, but depression is the same feelings, just different thoughts.
    It wasn’t until I began praying again that any progress was made in overcoming my mental state.
    God IS the answer, whatever our question.

  40. My experience with depression has been from an entirely different source, but depression is the same feelings, just different thoughts.
    It wasn’t until I began praying again that any progress was made in overcoming my mental state.
    God IS the answer, whatever our question.

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